There is a lot to take in here, and I appreciate it! As I suspected, the differences are subtle, innumerable, and in the end, magic comes into play. The days of music stores are gone, however. It's primarily internet shopping now, with all the risks. I'll keep using my Chinese horn for some time because I have the beginner's road ahead of me still, and I can't afford to take risks on horns that are complete unknowns to me. Eventually, when justified by improved skill, and I have saved enough, I'll see what I can afford and judge according to the catalog or listing description, I suppose. I remember once, long ago, buying a Gibson guitar sight-unseen on the basis of reputation and getting a 'lemon' that was 'off', couldn't be well intonated, and lacked resonance/response. I sold it on without losing money thanks to the brand, but learned to judge by actual tactile engagement with the instrument, not by name brand, and taught myself to re-do frets, nuts, and bridges because almost no off-the-hook instruments are finely set up from the factory. With horns, to some extent, it seems like you roll the dice and gamble your c-notes, and you just get lucky on a magic horn, or you don't.
Posts made by _Mark_
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RE: Differences between grades of instruments
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RE: Differences between grades of instruments
@j-jericho Too bad that beginners get stuck with instruments that don't respond well and require compensation for poor intonation since these are the people most likely to become discouraged, and frustrated with flat and sharp notes. Their inability to overcome poor instruments will go a step toward guaranteeing their failure. From this, it seems even beginners should shell out for responsive, more playable, well intonated advanced instruments.
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RE: Differences between grades of instruments
@_mark_ just remembered an interview with Miles Davis where the interviewer handed Miles what looked like a decent instrument and Miles looked at it with contempt and said I couldn't do anything with that. How could he judge it instantly at a glance?
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Differences between grades of instruments
Warning: beginner question. What's the gist of the difference between beginner, intermediate, and advanced instruments besides the enormous price differential? Coming from guitars, such differences are blatant. But with trumpets, it's hard to imagine any but subtle differences.
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Under the radar
I'm learning on a cheap Chinese trumpet which has been good for me so far, but I'm thinking about getting a good, older horn sooner or later. I see the demand is intense, and prices can run way out of my league. Is there a brand/model of trumpet that collectors don't want, but is still above quality issues? Something that a professional wouldn't scorn? It has to be affordable.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@richard-iii I appreciate your tip, and I will keep the euphonium in mind for the future and possible better times. Sadly, $400 now is prohibitive for someone working down his debt and whose savings went out with roof repairs in 2019. Apart from this, I might have skipped that horn as it seems to be fairly well dented up. I do not know, from inexperience, the extent of denting that might be harmless to the sound and playability of a horn.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@georgeb Thank you, again! I was having trouble determining the practical difference between those cups.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@richard-iii I like this idea, however, a glance shows no affordable instruments in the market. Heresy is not a worry! I have some guitars to trade, but liquidity is in the nether region.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@georgeb I suspect that I am. Because of trying to work over and around that one buck tooth, I've picked up a couple of mouthpieces being called 2b, 2c, 3b, 3c in a set with four separate cups and two rims stamped 2 and 3. I also have the 7c that came with the trumpet. So far, I'm going back and forth between them searching for the one that makes it all work. I'm sure that I haven't yet developed the facial muscles I need, either. I know this is going to take time. i also picked up a used Yamaha sb7 through which I play. i know there is back pressure, but I'm in a small home and can't torture my wife, or the neighbors with my sometimes ridiculous razzing and flubbing.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@georgeb it's encouraging to hear how you've held on and pulled through. I haven't yet had to face nearly as much, thankfully. But having music to enjoy, think on, and try to play, has got me through life, and now surgeries, poverty, and this pandemic. I don't know how people can live without it.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@rowuk Thank you! I'll take your advice to heart. I'm just starting to play in retirement on social security. I only want to play music for myself. I don't even like the sound of very high notes and don't have technical ambitions.
I played and struggled with guitar for decades, but it was always frustrating and unsatisfying. I'd always wanted to try the trumpet.
I finally got an inexpensive instrument and found that it feels like coming home, in spite of the awful sounds I was producing. I'm getting better, sounding better, although awkward in every way, and sometimes, I seem to lose the gains I'd thought I'd made yesterday. Still, I'm enjoying it every day.
My budget will never allow for a good instrument or teacher. It will have to be ear effort, books, youtube.
I have one 'buck tooth' and some overbite. I'm trying to come to some kind of accommodation with this. It becomes very difficult above 'f'. My upper lip is pulled tight and thin over that one tooth. A lot of songs require that 'g' and 'a' up there, but so far, I'm not getting them. Three months, so far.
I won't give up, though. I'm loving it too much.
Thanks again.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@barliman2001 Thank you! I'm on my own. No teacher. It's taken me three months to be able to play from low f# up two octaves and be able to tongue notes.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@richard-iii said in More physiological than medical:
Push your lips away from your teeth. Make a cushion. The outer part of the lips should remain relaxed. Contract towards the center when needed behind that point. All this and the teeth rarely matter.
OK. I see what you mean. That puts the ball back in my court in terms of needing but not having yet the necessary musculature around my mouth. I'll just keep at it. It's frustratingly slow to have to build up muscles from nothing just to be able to get that higher 'g' and the seemingly impossible notes above it.
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More physiological than medical
I'm unsure of where to post a question about teeth. I have been learning to play trumpet for about three months, and I'm struggling with many aspects, one of which is where to put the mouthpiece in relation to uneven front teeth. I have come to believe that teeth are a make or break matter, but haven't seen it talked about anywhere. If a tooth protrudes, the mouthpiece can only be centered on it, right? This question seems to be at least partly responsible for preventing me from getting consistent high notes.
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RE: mouthpiece bite
well, thanks. I thought so. I asked after a painful session, but knew I didn't want to dig in and mess it up. I'll just try different mouthpieces as the budget permits.
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mouthpiece bite
I have a mouthpiece I like but it has a sharp bite. I'd like to round it off a bit. Has anyone tried this? What might be the best approach?
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appearances vs practice
I'm a newbie. Been playing trumpet for a matter of a few hours. I find that I have to make some pretty big changes in embouchure and breath as I move down into the lower notes or into the higher ones; yet, when I watch accomplished trumpeters on youtube videos, it's often hard to see that they are making any great changes in their embouchures even when running fast lines across octaves. This just mystifies me. As I am trying to teach myself, am I missing something? I'm so new to this that I have no habits, no certainty, no consistency. The likelihood of horrible or surprising and unexpected sounds as actual notes being produced is still high, although improving. Thank you!