There is a lot to take in here, and I appreciate it! As I suspected, the differences are subtle, innumerable, and in the end, magic comes into play. The days of music stores are gone, however. It's primarily internet shopping now, with all the risks. I'll keep using my Chinese horn for some time because I have the beginner's road ahead of me still, and I can't afford to take risks on horns that are complete unknowns to me. Eventually, when justified by improved skill, and I have saved enough, I'll see what I can afford and judge according to the catalog or listing description, I suppose. I remember once, long ago, buying a Gibson guitar sight-unseen on the basis of reputation and getting a 'lemon' that was 'off', couldn't be well intonated, and lacked resonance/response. I sold it on without losing money thanks to the brand, but learned to judge by actual tactile engagement with the instrument, not by name brand, and taught myself to re-do frets, nuts, and bridges because almost no off-the-hook instruments are finely set up from the factory. With horns, to some extent, it seems like you roll the dice and gamble your c-notes, and you just get lucky on a magic horn, or you don't.
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RE: Differences between grades of instruments
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RE: My low notes sound like a gibbering Dalek
@rowuk Thank you. Things aren't going as badly as all that. I only got the Dalek sound once or twice when my weak lips go out of control. Actually, I've been reading and taking to heart the guidance and warnings. I'm actually playing good notes in the mid-range, tounging better, and my finger independence has improved more than i thought possible at the start. I can't get above the staff, yet, but I guess facial musculature takes a while to develop.
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RE: What are pedal tones on the trumpet?
@libertydoc thanks a bunch! Just what I wanted to know. And thanks for the book references, too.
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Trumpet 3rd valve sharping
I'm a rank beginner with a B flat trumpet. Total playing time less than an hour. I'm getting some notes pretty consistently (and loving it). But I'm puzzled as to why pressing the third valve seems to be giving me a fifth above? I play F, press the third valve and get a B above. What am I doing wrong?
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RE: More physiological than medical
@rowuk Thank you! I'll take your advice to heart. I'm just starting to play in retirement on social security. I only want to play music for myself. I don't even like the sound of very high notes and don't have technical ambitions.
I played and struggled with guitar for decades, but it was always frustrating and unsatisfying. I'd always wanted to try the trumpet.
I finally got an inexpensive instrument and found that it feels like coming home, in spite of the awful sounds I was producing. I'm getting better, sounding better, although awkward in every way, and sometimes, I seem to lose the gains I'd thought I'd made yesterday. Still, I'm enjoying it every day.
My budget will never allow for a good instrument or teacher. It will have to be ear effort, books, youtube.
I have one 'buck tooth' and some overbite. I'm trying to come to some kind of accommodation with this. It becomes very difficult above 'f'. My upper lip is pulled tight and thin over that one tooth. A lot of songs require that 'g' and 'a' up there, but so far, I'm not getting them. Three months, so far.
I won't give up, though. I'm loving it too much.
Thanks again.
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RE: Are diads playable?
@rowuk i did not mean to give advice. I'm absolutely unqualified. I hope no one took or takes anything i say in that spirit. One does not learn anything in the manner of being self-taught without analyzing from ones own trial and error experience, but henceforth I'll just keep that part to myself. I appreciate the tips and guidance that have come from this forum. Much obliged.
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Differences between grades of instruments
Warning: beginner question. What's the gist of the difference between beginner, intermediate, and advanced instruments besides the enormous price differential? Coming from guitars, such differences are blatant. But with trumpets, it's hard to imagine any but subtle differences.
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RE: More physiological than medical
@georgeb Thank you, again! I was having trouble determining the practical difference between those cups.
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RE: My low notes sound like a gibbering Dalek
@j-jericho Thanks. I don't think it's excessive. I can practice for an hour a couple times a day and not feel any pain. I was warned about that from the start and I try to be careful. Not to mention having seen the scars on the lips of all of my 'heroes', like Satchmo, Miles, Chet Baker ...
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RE: My low notes sound like a gibbering Dalek
@dr-go said in My low notes sound like a gibbering Dalek:
...Recordings just cannot convey the physicality, the powerful acoustic resonance, of being in the room with the instruments, right up there near them....
I have a Hammond B3 with a Leslie Speaker only a keyboards distance away... gotta agree with you on that when I put the peddle to the metal!
I loved Hendrix's use of the Leslie and the emulators like Rotovibe, Dejavibe. Also loved the B3 and the Moogs. Timbre always mattered as much or more to me than quantity of notes.
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RE: Russian horns on eBay
@_mark_ wow. crickets chirping. Did i say something wrong?