Spit Building up in MP
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I have found that switching to a short shank MP for my cornets. Helps delay spit collecting on the bore of the MP. And just for the fun of it I coated the inside of it with Turtle Wax Hybred Ceramic Spray Coating. It appears to help. I will have to do a more thorough comparison. At some point I may put it on the valve pistons and bore of one of my cheap cornets. My though is it may shed water.
More Cornets than I can name
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@adc weird!
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Generally, short or long shank will change intonation on a horn, depending on which shank it was built for. While it’s possible to use a long shank on some horns meant for a short, it’s not optimal. Horns built for a long shank will not accept a short. In general, most cornets built before 1950 take a short shank, with a few exceptions. Not sure about the condensation in yours, but if they accept a short shank, they probably should be using one. As far as car products on horns, it may not be wise to be breathing that in.... I know I wouldn’t! I would worry less about what it’s doing to the horn than what it might be doing to you.
Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
Schagerl Raweni
Puje 3am(named for me), Benge pocket
Schilke P5-4, C5L
Yamaha 761 Eb/D
Lots of vintage toys -
@flugelgirl said in Spit Building up in MP:
Generally, short or long shank will change intonation on a horn, depending on which shank it was built for. While it’s possible to use a long shank on some horns meant for a short, it’s not optimal. Horns built for a long shank will not accept a short. In general, most cornets built before 1950 take a short shank, with a few exceptions. Not sure about the condensation in yours, but if they accept a short shank, they probably should be using one. As far as car products on horns, it may not be wise to be breathing that in.... I know I wouldn’t! I would worry less about what it’s doing to the horn than what it might be doing to you.
I think the discussion is centered around modern short-shank mouthpieces like those made by Denis Wick and others (mainly for brass band use), which work just fine in modern cornets.
1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet -
@Dale-Proctor said in Spit Building up in MP:
@flugelgirl said in Spit Building up in MP:
Generally, short or long shank will change intonation on a horn, depending on which shank it was built for. While it’s possible to use a long shank on some horns meant for a short, it’s not optimal. Horns built for a long shank will not accept a short. In general, most cornets built before 1950 take a short shank, with a few exceptions. Not sure about the condensation in yours, but if they accept a short shank, they probably should be using one. As far as car products on horns, it may not be wise to be breathing that in.... I know I wouldn’t! I would worry less about what it’s doing to the horn than what it might be doing to you.
I think the discussion is centered around modern short-shank mouthpieces like those made by Denis Wick and others (mainly for brass band use), which work just fine in modern cornets.
I dunno about that - he plays some old ones, if I remember right, and has a King Master similar in age to mine. It takes a short shank to play it’s best. Lots of modern short shanks play great on those older cornets - finished up a Selmer Bundy (from the days before Bundy was a student model), and it plays fabulously with a modern Dennis wick.
Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
Schagerl Raweni
Puje 3am(named for me), Benge pocket
Schilke P5-4, C5L
Yamaha 761 Eb/D
Lots of vintage toys -
I used to play all of my cornets, even the old ones, with the long shank. Settled on Yamaha 11C4. I really didn't know any better. Then I went to the Yamaha 11C4 short. They sent a mid length 11E4 . I kept it but then bought and got the 11C4short. . Shortly thereafter started using it for some other horns. And as mentioned went to the 11C4Short for the 184G Strad. It seems that I play a bit "cleaner with the mid length 11E4 on the strad.
Totally nuts to most of you and even me. But I am not a professional so it doesn't really matter...lol
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Bach cornets are built for long shank
Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
Schagerl Raweni
Puje 3am(named for me), Benge pocket
Schilke P5-4, C5L
Yamaha 761 Eb/D
Lots of vintage toys -
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Well, all of the current Bach 184s we get in stock are built for long shank, come with a long shank, and will not accept a short shank. It always annoys the crap out of me when we get Bach and Yamaha shipments in at the same time, because I have to have a ridiculous kit of mpcs on me to play test. All of the Bach 184s that I have worked on up to this point have taken a long shank. Can’t remember what the Mt Vernons I worked on took, but everything that’s crossed my path 70s to present has been long shank.
Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
Schagerl Raweni
Puje 3am(named for me), Benge pocket
Schilke P5-4, C5L
Yamaha 761 Eb/D
Lots of vintage toys -
@flugelgirl said in Spit Building up in MP:
Well, all of the current Bach 184s we get in stock are built for long shank, come with a long shank, and will not accept a short shank.
Yea..understand. But it does "fit" and it plays fine (for me)
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Modern long shank and modern short shank cornet mouthpieces have the same shank taper and should have the same insertion depth. I don’t know why they shouldn’t interchange with good results as well as any other mouthpieces do. Some mouthpieces work with a given cornet, while others don’t, regardless of the shank length.
1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet -
@Dale-Proctor said in Spit Building up in MP:
Modern long shank and modern short shank cornet mouthpieces have the same shank taper and should have the same insertion depth. I don’t know why they shouldn’t interchange with good results as well as any other mouthpieces do. Some mouthpieces work with a given cornet, while others don’t, regardless of the shank length.
Bach and Yahama have different tapers that I just noticed. Bacg goes into the shank further. Not arguing with you Dale. The short and long shank yamaha go into the shank the same distance.
The Yahama is close to an old Conn Wonder I have but not exact.
So I guess (as Fluglegirl said) that the Yahama doesn't belong into my Bach.
More Cornets than I can name
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@adc said in Spit Building up in MP:
@Dale-Proctor said in Spit Building up in MP:
Modern long shank and modern short shank cornet mouthpieces have the same shank taper and should have the same insertion depth. I don’t know why they shouldn’t interchange with good results as well as any other mouthpieces do. Some mouthpieces work with a given cornet, while others don’t, regardless of the shank length.
Bach and Yahama have different tapers that I just noticed. Bacg goes into the shank further. Not arguing with you Dale. The short and long shank yamaha go into the shank the same distance.
The Yahama is close to an old Conn Wonder I have but not exact.
So I guess (as Fluglegirl said) that the Yahama doesn't belong into my Bach.
Yeah, I said they should have the same insertion depth. Some of them don’t, for sure. I have a newer Wick that has a really shallow insertion, a much older Wick that inserts the “normal” amount, and all the Schilkes I’ve used insert too far. So that part of the equation is a variable for sure. That’s more a function of the mouthpiece design than the horn, though.
