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    • tptguy
      tptguy last edited by

      Wondering if anyone has info on these models?..Besson International England made, dual triggers like the 10-10 may be larger bore (.468?) Could this be a pro level model
      https://imgur.com/sSxUcM1
      https://imgur.com/77A0U2B
      Worth fixing tired valves, rest looks pretty good. Short stroke, smooth slides, all parts there and good finish

      G.

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      • barliman2001
        barliman2001 Global Moderator @tptguy last edited by

        @tptguy The Besson International cornet models were the first instruments Besson made after the change in the Brass Band world from High Pitch to Low Pitch (i.e. normal concert pitch). They followed the dual pitch Imperial models and were the direct predecessors of the Round Stamp Sovereigns. At the time, they were Besson's (or B&Hs) top of the line. Even today, Internationals are sought after instruments, and some first-class players in the brass band world still stick to them despite Sovereigns and Prestiges. And I know why... in 1990, I fished one out of a Scottish band's bin (put there after what they thought was irreparable damage - the connection between first and second valve had a big hole from being gripped there too often), had it restored by Hermann Ganter, and I've been playing it ever since. Tried to find a more modern one to have a back-up in case the International had a fatal accident, spent a fortune on Yammies, Stomvi, new Sovereign and such... and finally, after re-selling all of those, ended up with a second International (which is now in the market because I found a 1955 Courtois at an Ukrainian dealer). A friend of mine played in the same brass band all his life, for an incredible 71 years, 55 of them as Principal Cornet. Every ten years or so, the band bought a new set of instruments and handed him a new and shiny Sovereign, which he duly held when the appropriate pictures were taken. And at the next rehearsal or gig, he played the old International... his best friend and former band mate, Phil McCann, did the same...

        Courtois Balanced
        Courtois D
        Olds Recording
        Buescher Aristocrat
        Gaudet C
        Selmer G
        Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
        Besson International Bb cornet
        Courtois Bb cornet
        B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
        B&H Sovereign trombone
        Willy Garreis trombone
        Weltklang Euph

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        • tptguy
          tptguy @barliman2001 last edited by

          @barliman2001 sorry failed tu mention this ie a early 70's trumpet according to the serial number 527...
          I actually got it to fix someone's attempt at making a C trumpet out of a same model a few years older. I had read somewhere they where large bore, and i liked the thinn lightwieght bell reminiscent of the Sovereign Studio

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          • barliman2001
            barliman2001 Global Moderator @tptguy last edited by

            @tptguy That is correct. Internationals were made until the introduction of the Sovereign in the early 1980s.

            Courtois Balanced
            Courtois D
            Olds Recording
            Buescher Aristocrat
            Gaudet C
            Selmer G
            Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
            Besson International Bb cornet
            Courtois Bb cornet
            B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
            B&H Sovereign trombone
            Willy Garreis trombone
            Weltklang Euph

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            • tptguy
              tptguy last edited by

              So, it should be considered top of the line(Besson/B&H) pro level of that era?
              I Have a Strad. *37 from the same time and would love to compare side to side, IF I decide to get the International done...

              Thank you for the great info.

              G.

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              • barliman2001
                barliman2001 Global Moderator @tptguy last edited by

                @tptguy Besson did nothing topper than the Internationals at that time.

                Courtois Balanced
                Courtois D
                Olds Recording
                Buescher Aristocrat
                Gaudet C
                Selmer G
                Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                Besson International Bb cornet
                Courtois Bb cornet
                B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                B&H Sovereign trombone
                Willy Garreis trombone
                Weltklang Euph

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