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    • J
      Jrlaum last edited by

      Curious about our Buescher True Tone trumpet; Elkhart, Indiana; Serial #257991; LP 204; Patent date 10-29-1907; Herco mouthpiece. Have searched and cannot find this serial # on Buescher info. In overall good condition and valves are all very good. Considering selling it but have no idea on what to ask. Any assistance is very much appreciated. Thanks. Rita (Jrlaumer) IMG_7639.jpeg IMG_7638.jpeg IMG_7636.jpeg IMG_7635.jpeg IMG_7634.jpeg IMG_7633.jpeg IMG_7632.jpeg IMG_7631.jpeg

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      • barliman2001
        barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by barliman2001

        Data on early Buescher instrument serial numbers is somewhat sketchy. With good valves, this could qualify as a peashooter; but it is nothing really special, nothing like the later Aristocrat series. I have a similar one which I got for $ 150.

        Courtois Balanced
        Courtois D
        Olds Recording
        Buescher Aristocrat
        Gaudet C
        Selmer G
        Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
        Besson International Bb cornet
        Courtois Bb cornet
        B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
        B&H Sovereign trombone
        Willy Garreis trombone
        Weltklang Euph

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        • barliman2001
          barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

          Just looked more closely - it's a Low Pitch model (meaning it works with today's tuning) and is a model 204.

          Courtois Balanced
          Courtois D
          Olds Recording
          Buescher Aristocrat
          Gaudet C
          Selmer G
          Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
          Besson International Bb cornet
          Courtois Bb cornet
          B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
          B&H Sovereign trombone
          Willy Garreis trombone
          Weltklang Euph

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          • barliman2001
            barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

            And one more bit of info:
            http://www.buescherloyalist.com/serial.html
            This list puts it between 1930 and 1931

            Courtois Balanced
            Courtois D
            Olds Recording
            Buescher Aristocrat
            Gaudet C
            Selmer G
            Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
            Besson International Bb cornet
            Courtois Bb cornet
            B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
            B&H Sovereign trombone
            Willy Garreis trombone
            Weltklang Euph

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            • administrator
              administrator Global Moderator last edited by

              That's quite beautiful. There are a number of Buescher experts out there, I think you will be able to find what you need. Good luck!

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              • J
                Jrlaum @administrator last edited by

                @administrator Thank you! We’ve already received an informative response… we appreciate the help.

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                • J
                  Jrlaum @barliman2001 last edited by

                  @barliman2001 Thank you very much for taking the time to reply! We appreciate the information provided. The valves are in very good condition. Joel’s brother is a professional trumpet player and looked it over recently; good sound and very good condition. Do you have an opinion on a fair price to ask? Again, thank you!

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                  • Dale Proctor
                    Dale Proctor last edited by Dale Proctor

                    Looks like it takes a cornet mouthpiece or a smaller proprietary trumpet mouthpiece. That trumpet mouthpiece just barely goes into the receiver.

                    1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                    1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                    1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                    1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                    1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                    1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                    1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                    1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                    • barliman2001
                      barliman2001 Global Moderator @Dale Proctor last edited by

                      @dale-proctor From my rather extended experience with Buescher trumpets, normal mouthpieces fit easily and without problems, and the 204 model # stamped on the valve block excludes it being a trumpet shaped cornet. So my guess is that that Herco mouthpiece might have begun life as an alto horn mouthpiece...

                      Courtois Balanced
                      Courtois D
                      Olds Recording
                      Buescher Aristocrat
                      Gaudet C
                      Selmer G
                      Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                      Besson International Bb cornet
                      Courtois Bb cornet
                      B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                      B&H Sovereign trombone
                      Willy Garreis trombone
                      Weltklang Euph

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                      • barliman2001
                        barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

                        Being a bit of a Buescher enthusiast, I'll start the bidding: $ 200 + shipping.

                        Courtois Balanced
                        Courtois D
                        Olds Recording
                        Buescher Aristocrat
                        Gaudet C
                        Selmer G
                        Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                        Besson International Bb cornet
                        Courtois Bb cornet
                        B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                        B&H Sovereign trombone
                        Willy Garreis trombone
                        Weltklang Euph

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                        • J
                          Jrlaum @Dale Proctor last edited by

                          @dale-proctor Thanks for your comment. We knew the Herco mouthpiece wasn’t a good fit and we purchased a new Bach that fits properly. We also bought a new, soft-side carry case because the original was shelled. Again, we really appreciate the informative comments we have received!

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                          • J
                            Jrlaum @barliman2001 last edited by

                            @barliman2001 Apologies for our late response …canning tomatoes has been my preoccupation lately. Thank you for your interest!

                            We are currently out of town and need to do a bit more research before making a decision. We bought a new case and mouthpiece for this and would want to have them go as a unit. I will send add’l photos when we get home.

                            Again, thank you for your responses…much appreciated.

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