A way to practice.

[DBtrumpet]

Expose the muscles to the demand you want...then re-enforce the correct actions, gaining muscle memory....if you play a good F, play ten more...then put the horn down for ten mins....pick it up and play ten more F's....muscle memory....we program through good practice procedures....

[GeorgeB]

@dbtrumpet

Interesting. I'll give it a try.
George

[Dr GO]

@georgeb said in A way to practice.:

@dbtrumpet

Interesting. I'll give it a try.
George

Along with a few doses of Prevagen for people our age!

[Dr GO]

Muscle memory takes devoted time and effort to continue the repetitive exercises on a daily basis. If the effort is put into a repetitive practice schedule, then in about 4 weeks, a goal will be achieved.

However, using Muscle Memory is best applied to securing repetitive phrases to add to performance skills.

To achieve accomplished overall performance skills, the 10,000 hour rule applies.

[Dr GO]

A general philosophy I try to instil into learners that I work with, I recommend not to practice until you get it right, but rather to practice until you cannot get it wrong.

[administrator]

@dr-go said in A way to practice.:

A general philosophy I try to instil into learners that I work with, I recommend not to practice until you get it right, but rather to practice until you cannot get it wrong.

This is fantastic advice! Practice doesn't make perfect--practice makes permanent.

[Kehaulani]

"I recommend not to practice until you get it right, but rather to practice until you cannot get it wrong."

That's a well-worn phrase for those who might not know. I first heard it as the definition of how a professional practices.

Regarding the "the 10,000 hour rule", I believe that's a philosophy, not necessarily a rule. In Philip Farkas'' book on Horn Technique, he recommends four hours a day. That doesn't add up when compared to the 10,000 hours. His time frame takes into account the type of instrument, and the difference between just meandering in your practice as opposed to practicing smartly.

[GeorgeB]

Re: the 10,000 hour rule
Well I exceeded 10,000 hours in my first 12 years of playing which was 1953 to 1965. So there was a 50+ year gap before I started playing again in 2016 and that initial 10,000 hours probably helped me greatly in my comeback because I picked up the horn on March 8th, 2016 and was playing first chair with the local Horizons band by late September.
Just saying...
George

[Dr GO]

@georgeb Yes. The 10,000 hour rule . It's real and powerful. I have applied it well in my practice of the trumpet and my practice of medicine.

[Kehaulani]

My understanding is that 10,000 hour "rule" pertains to practicing, not just playing. Does anybody know how that 10,000 hours pertains to daily [practice hours?

[Dr GO]

@kehaulani said in A way to practice.:

My understanding is that 10,000 hour "rule" pertains to practicing, not just playing. Does anybody know how that 10,000 hours pertains to daily [practice hours?

Gladwell first claimed the rule when describing the Beatles performance schedule in Hamburg Germany from 1960 to 1964 were he calculated 10,000 hours of non-stop playing that trusted them toward their oncoming fame. So in his description, it is total playing time. With this said, I through this perspective, isn't all playing time an ongoing learning experience?

[Kehaulani]

Thanks. Well, I've easily got 10,000 hours of music-making time and I still suck.

[Trumpetb]

I recently worked out that if a player has 1 hour free each day for practice in these busy times, if 5 minutes is allowed for warmup and 5 minutes for warmdown, and the player rests as much as they play, then they only have 20 minutes per day of real practice time.

365 x 20 minutes gives 121 hours a year and that means that mastery will take 82 years to reach if it takes 10,000 hours.

I cannot afford to waste time learning this instrument if I will die before I can master it.

Consequently I have decided to move my practice to the Triangle and keep the trumpet for fun.

As I understand it the Triangle has a less steep learning curve.

You are the first to know.

[Dr GO]

@trumpetb Not sure if your calculation applies to me. I practice a full 60 minutes a day, 365 days a year, do not rest from time I start to the time I finish, other than clearing my spit valves, and turning pages to the next tune. Just this alone will give me 10,000 hours in 27 years.

But then there is gigging time, and pre-pandemic I was gigging 10 gigs a month at 3 hours of performance of which a third of the time was total lip time keeping the hour playing concept intact.

I started playing the Hammond B3 in night clubs at age 7, and practiced BOTH the organ and trumpet daily though to High School, then the trumpet almost exclusively thereafter. I am now age 67 which gives me almost 25,000 hours of playing experience. So, you may have to drive yourself a bit harder to achieve such a goal.

The result, is I can go into any gig, and play through almost any tune called out by the rhythm section, in any key, with a solid approach of confidence in my performance. This has resulted in my constant calls from area musicians to sit in or cover any chart (from the lead to 5th trumpet part) that keeps me playing routinely, and yes, back on track with my pre-Covid performance schedule at this time. From my perspective, those 10,000 hours + has really paid off for my music career.

[Trumpetb]

@ Dr Go

Do you need a Triangle player????

[Dr GO]

@trumpetb said in A way to practice.:

@ Dr Go

Do you need a Triangle player????

Have you been playing it for 10,000 hours? OK, I'll give you 3,333 hours since it has 3 sides.

[Trumpetb]

You got me on a technicality

[Dr GO]

@trumpetb said in A way to practice.:

@ Dr Go

Do you need a Triangle player????

Interesting concept to using a rhythm instrument. Somewhere along those 10,000 hours I found that with half valving (especially on the flugelhorn) you can get a really authentic Cuica sound on the horn.

Here is a tune I recorded with my quintet (actually Eddie Brookshire's Quintet) that has a Brazilian bossa feel. I am playing my 4 valve Getzen flugelhorn on this tune, and my solo starts about 2:30. At 3:13-3:20, I use the Cuica sound to bring out the Brazilian flavor of the tune, called "Edge of the River"

[Trumpetb]

I took you at your word and as an experiment half valved my cornet and the sound I got out of the bell was a realistic representation of a hippo farting in a john.

I suspect your 10,000 hours may have been far more focussed and productive than my feeble attempts.

[Dr GO]

@trumpetb said in A way to practice.:

I took you at your word and as an experiment half valved my cornet and the sound I got out of the bell was a realistic representation of a hippo farting in a john.

I suspect your 10,000 hours may have been far more focussed and productive than my feeble attempts.

Keep trying. You only have 9,999 hours left to perfect it.