Buescher Aristocrat 264 - value?

[barliman2001]

As some of you may know, I have a Buescher Aristocrat 264 Bb trumpet. I loved playing it, usually in big band and accompanied by my Buescher Aristocrat 265 Bb cornet... now, I am at a point where the 264 does not fit my playing charateristics so well any more, and it is getting relegated in favour of my Olds Recording and my Courtois Balanced (of which I have two...). So the Buescher 264 now leads a very retired life at the back of my trumpet cabinet... and needs to get out more. So I am thinking of selling, but not at any price.
It is yellow brass, with the original lacquer at somewhere like 90%, everything original and lovely short-stroke valves with as-new compression. Now what kind of price would one be able to ask for it?

[J. Jericho]

You might do a search on eBay, and check Sold Items. I did, and although your specific model only showed up once, other Buescher Aristocrats sold for from under 100USD to 300USD. I'd speculate that yours would be in the upper range.

[barliman2001]

@J-Jericho Usually, only the later UMI models show up - and they are, basically, crap...

[administrator]

Here's what ChatGPT says:

The value of your Buescher Aristocrat 264 Bb trumpet depends on several factors, including its condition, rarity, demand, and market trends. Since you mentioned it's in excellent condition (90% original lacquer, short-stroke valves with as-new compression, and all-original components), it is likely to appeal to collectors or players seeking vintage instruments.

Here are some factors to help you gauge its value:

1. Comparable Listings: Research current listings for similar vintage Buescher Aristocrat trumpets in equivalent condition. Check platforms like:

   • eBay
   • Reverb.com
   • Specialist brass instrument shops
   • Trumpet forums or classifieds

   Based on recent sales, similar trumpets often range from $400 to $1,000, with exceptional examples occasionally fetching higher prices.

2. Rarity and Desirability:

   • Buescher Aristocrats are well-regarded for their craftsmanship and warm tone.
   • If your 264 model is from a particularly desirable production year, it may increase its value. Serial numbers can help identify the exact year and era of manufacture.

3. Condition:

   • The 90% original lacquer and excellent valve compression are significant selling points.
   • Mention the absence of dents, scratches, or repairs (if true), as this enhances value.

4. Market Appeal:

   • Big band players and vintage brass enthusiasts may value the 264 for its tone and playability.
   • Highlight its short-stroke valves, as this feature is relatively rare and may appeal to specific players.

5. Pricing Strategy:

   • If you want to sell quickly, list it in the lower-middle range (e.g., $600–$800).
   • If you're in no rush, start at the higher end (e.g., $900–$1,200) and negotiate.

6. Documentation and Accessories:

   • Include any original case, mouthpiece, or paperwork if available. These can increase the instrument's perceived value.

To maximize your sale:

• Take high-quality photos showing all angles, including serial numbers, valves, and engraving.
• Provide a detailed description emphasizing its features, condition, and why it stands out.
• Consider offering it on a platform with a focus on musicians to target the right audience.

If you want more specific pricing suggestions, sharing the serial number or production year can help refine the estimate.

[J. Jericho]

@barliman2001 I figured yours might not show up well in my search; It doesn't make sense that you would have a crappy horn. It it also looks like ChatGPT can be a useful tool.

[administrator]

@J-Jericho said in Buescher Aristocrat 264 - value?:

@barliman2001 I figured yours might not show up well in my search; It doesn't make sense that you would have a crappy horn. It it also looks like ChatGPT can be a useful tool.

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[Trumpetb]

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