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    • barliman2001
      barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

      Yes, I know, Courtois and dating don't go well together...
      but I just got a Courtois cornet from Ukrainian dealer Igor Igor (three concentric cardboard boxes and then the original case, well protected with bubble wrap inside). Condition almost as new. Serial # is 72xx, has the name Gustave Murset engraved on bell.
      Probably 1950s or 1960s - but can't date. Anyone out there who might be able to help? Info on Gustave Murset also welcome.

      Courtois Balanced
      Courtois D
      Olds Recording
      Buescher Aristocrat
      Gaudet C
      Selmer G
      Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
      Besson International Bb cornet
      Courtois Bb cornet
      B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
      B&H Sovereign trombone
      Willy Garreis trombone
      Weltklang Euph

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      • barliman2001
        barliman2001 Global Moderator @barliman2001 last edited by

        @barliman2001 Additional info: Original mouthpiece is quite sweet, but very very narrow in the shaft... other cornet mouthpieces don't fit...

        Courtois Balanced
        Courtois D
        Olds Recording
        Buescher Aristocrat
        Gaudet C
        Selmer G
        Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
        Besson International Bb cornet
        Courtois Bb cornet
        B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
        B&H Sovereign trombone
        Willy Garreis trombone
        Weltklang Euph

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        • barliman2001
          barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

          STILL WAITING FOR FEEDBACK

          Courtois Balanced
          Courtois D
          Olds Recording
          Buescher Aristocrat
          Gaudet C
          Selmer G
          Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
          Besson International Bb cornet
          Courtois Bb cornet
          B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
          B&H Sovereign trombone
          Willy Garreis trombone
          Weltklang Euph

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          • T
            Trumpetb last edited by Trumpetb

            I am sorry I cannot help in anything but speculation and I am sure that you already have any information I can turn up however as nobody else has answered I will do what I can.

            This

            https://www.brasshistory.net/Courtois-Trumpets.pdf

            shows some history and might place your instrument after the balanced model

            I am going to add this site which is of no value in dating your instrument but adds flesh to the bone on courtois early history and may be of value and interest in showing some of the early history leading up to your instrument

            https://www.robbstewart.com/courtois-early-modern-trumpets#:~:text=Early Modern Trumpets by Courtois The history of,glean from a few early modern Courtois trumpets.

            The two sites together show courtois history and quality in design

            Hornucopia shows some hostory but nothing on Gustave Murset which is disappointing, however as you know it is usual to have instruments carrying unexplained and unique identifiers that cannot be identified in any history and trying to date using engraving details can be a nightmare and fruitless.

            Hornucopia shows these serials that place it in the late 50's

            https://www.horn-u-copia.net/serial/courtoislist.html

            This is an alternative history

            https://brasshistory.net/Courtois Dating.pdf

            Again nothing on Gustave Murset

            In conclusion I have nothing useful beyond your instrument appears to be dated possibly around the 50's as you already stated.

            The serious lack of information available suggests that anything we have seen may be wildly inaccurate.

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            • barliman2001
              barliman2001 Global Moderator @Trumpetb last edited by

              @trumpetb Thanks anyway!!

              Courtois Balanced
              Courtois D
              Olds Recording
              Buescher Aristocrat
              Gaudet C
              Selmer G
              Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
              Besson International Bb cornet
              Courtois Bb cornet
              B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
              B&H Sovereign trombone
              Willy Garreis trombone
              Weltklang Euph

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              • J. Jericho
                J. Jericho Global Moderator last edited by J. Jericho

                https://www.horn-u-copia.net/serial/support/Courtois Dating.pdf places your cornet's serial number c.1960.

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