Amati-Kraslice - the ones we love to hate?
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I have to wonder if they started using Klier earlier. I've got a bugle that was made on-order in mid-2020, and it came with a 7C that was unlike any of the heavyweight Amati pieces, except the "AMATI 7C" engraving. It was the same thin engraving seen on the heavy pieces. The blank was Bach-style, but the collar was a round bulge, and the exterior was something like some of the vintage Buescher/Elkhart or Martin/Indiana trumpet pieces from around 1910-1920. I'll have to photo that soon...
@Jolter said in Amati-Kraslice - the ones we love to hate?:
@ConnDirectorFan That's very interesting to hear, that JK are now providing their mouthpieces. So they got out of that business altogether, then.
I never saw their 7EW, but I bought a new 7DW when I visited Praha in 2004 or so. It had a wide rim, which was quite flat, a fairly sharp inner bite and a tiny tiny cup in a heavyweight blank. (Not quite megatone-weight but something like that.) I was coming from a Yamaha 11C4/7C and was hoping for just that little push in endurance/range. The honeymoon was nice. Unfortunately my intonation and tone suffered, and this was when I first discovered my lips are too big to be able to play extremely small sizes. I was young and stupid but a senior section member clued me into that my new mouthpiece was not helping my playing.
(The wide rim promoted some bad habits, too, like I used a lot of pressure those days...)
I passed the MP on to a donation drive, instruments for poor students. Hopefully one of them had thin lips...
Their 7DW cornet piece pre-2000s was...interesting. Brighter sound, but not a "screaming lead" by any margin...! It came straight from the factory wrapped in paper, in a newer Amati box with product code A90 7DW and UPC 8 591278 023119...
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@ConnDirectorFan BTW, here are pictures from my collection, there are all MPC from AMATI. One is sure old (2), those single numbered I could not remember to be sold in the 80ies. The 7DW and the 7EW are newer ones. There is a big difference in the sharp edge of the 7DW against the 7EW with the curved inner edge. On the other hand, the circular traces as some residuum of the lathe knife are seen as wel.
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@zetka Thanks for that! Yes, Amati tool marks are a very common defining feature. The single-number pieces are an absolute mystery, and it seems they used pre-war styling until either using up old stock, or deciding it was time to use a new exterior.
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@ConnDirectorFan BTW, it seems that the 7DW was still produced lately, I saw them sold for about 40USD on czech Aukro auction server now
(https://aukro.cz/natrubek-pro-trumpetu-amati-7dw-7057773410 ).
Those are with the bottom shape looking like Yamaha MPCs. -
@zetka said in Amati-Kraslice - the ones we love to hate?:
@ConnDirectorFan BTW, it seems that the 7DW was still produced lately, I saw them sold for about 40USD on czech Aukro auction server now
(https://aukro.cz/natrubek-pro-trumpetu-amati-7dw-7057773410 ).
Those are with the bottom shape looking like Yamaha MPCs.Are they old stock? When I ordered some pieces from the factory in 2020, it was a veritable hodge-podge of pieces made from the 1980s to 2000s. Some of the heavy Yamaha-style pieces were buffed, others with the satin exterior. Amati definitely are not budging when we try ordering now...!
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@ConnDirectorFan I asked the seller and he answered, that it is some NOS, most probably from the late production, this was the reason about the higher pricing as well, it is an official shop. BTW, there are some of the NOS Amati ATR 6xx for sale visible.
https://aukro.cz/mistrovska-trubka-amati-atr-606s-model-laco-deczi-nehrana-7066532481 -
@zetka on a similar note, I found this image [originally taken May 2020] showing the piston from my Musica Steyr cornet [Amati 2551 or B-1038, the Connquest/Wonderphone-inspired model] and an Amati Excelent Super [yes, that is how it was spelled], with G3 Meister pistons.
The barrel is slightly different, with the Musica having the guide notch punched out of the top like Conn and in line with the pin, and the G3 having it molded from the bottom across from the pin. Conn, KHS, and Chinese makers had the pin mounted to the mobile portion of the piston, versus Amati attaching it to the barrel. The Excelent Super was Monel, with the Excelent and other models having Amati's infamous Chromium surface piston.
