Weirdest thing happened
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@trumpetb said in Weirdest thing happened:
May I speculate
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Could this be at the root of this strange behaviour.Dude. If you don't know, have you considered that you do not have to be the person who tries to help?
I get severely turned off by these huge walls of text you keep posting in nearly every thread. Each containing about 0.1 ounces of actual content, wrapped in a metric ton of words.
When you feel the urge to post something helpful, just, please ... take a little break, take a walk, consider the question "am I adding something of value to the thread, or am I just stroking my ego by trying to seem knowledgeable?"
Sometimes you do provide insightful commentary, so I'd like to keep interacting with you, but the amounts of verbiage you spew at every occasion really tries a reader's patience. The "ignore" button tempts me every time I see one of your walls of text.
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@Jolter You chose a topic that nobody knows the answer to, so by your argument, nobody should answer the OP, but the OP wants an answer.
At the risk of using too many words for you, if you dont like my answers you have the choice to not read them.
Some people in here seem to value my words even if you do not.
I happen to believe that members should be able to contribute freely so I would never suggest that you stop writing even though you appear to be suggesting that I stop writing.
If members dont like my words they should tell me they dont like them, they should not tell me to stop writing.
Thats my opinion.
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@trumpetb said in Weirdest thing happened:
@Jolter You chose a topic that nobody knows the answer to, so by your argument, nobody should answer the OP, but the OP wants an answer.
Here I disagree. If I had asked the same question, I would have felt better if I had received no answer, than if I had gotten a seemingly endless stream of verbiage that culminated in an “I don’t know” at the end.
At the risk of using too many words for you, if you dont like my answers you have the choice to not read them.
I do, and in practice that is most often the choice I’m making, to simply scroll by.
Some people in here seem to value my words even if you do not.
I can’t speak for others here, but neither can you, I think.
I happen to believe that members should be able to contribute freely so I would never suggest that you stop writing even though you appear to be suggesting that I stop writing.
If members dont like my words they should tell me they dont like them, they should not tell me to stop writing.
Thats my opinion.
I’m not telling you to stop writing. (Of course, I don’t have any such authority.)
I’m asking you to please ask yourself a particular question (see above) before posting. It is my strongly held opinion that everyone should ask themselves that question before posting here. Your posting is the only where I have felt compelled to mention it, since to most people it seems to be an obvious thing to do.
I will not object to, or disagree with, any particular content in your posts to this thread, since in my opinion there is no content to them.
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I feel that there is a difference of understanding here, I am saying things that you dont understand, that does not mean that you have less understanding than I do, it just means we have a difference of understanding.
Maybe I am just not using the right words.
More than likely that is my fault.
As for your saying you are not objecting to any particular content in my posts, isnt that exactly what you are doing, objecting to my posts.
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The original post you quoted saying it was packed with verbiage was this
"May I speculate
The apple store has an app that allows the listener to freely change the pitch and the tempo of a tune in the media library separately.
In other words you can take a tune in the library and alter a tempo slider that alters the tempo but keeps the pitch the same.
Or
You can shift a pitch slider and the tempo stays the same but the pitch changes.
In the real world with real instruments and real recordings this is not possible, shift a recordings tempo and the pitch changes. The pitch and the tempo are locked together.
Not so in the computer world.
Pitch and tempo are simply elements of the digital audio world. This is the reason that autotuners can function and alter the pitch of an out of tune singer while keeping the tempo fixed, or alter the pitch of an out of tune instrument and keep the tempo fixed.
Obviously you were not purposefully adjusting the pitch or the tempo but that doesnt mean that changes that affect the pitch were not able to happen.
Computer software is clearly in complete control of pitch and tempo and the two can act independently.
If a computer program malfunctions then everything it has control over can go out of synch and I suspect this might be what happened.
A restart fixed the issue, and that is typical of a computer glitch when things go out of synch, a restart refreshes everything and brings everything back into synchronisation."
This is packed with information relating to the problem and you call it verbiage and a metric ton of words.
May I suggest that you reconsider your comments I think you have missed most of what I was talking about.
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@trumpetb Look, you’re explaining what pitch is to a board full of musicians. You don’t see how that’s superfluous and devoid of content?
Another poster alluded to it more subtly and politely in this very thread, I’ll point out.
As to your explanation of how streamed audio works, I understand it perfectly. I have a degree in computer communications, so I understand each of the concepts you mention, and I can tell that this explanation is pure speculation with no useful conclusion drawn at all. You come off as knowledgeable in IT and music, but your entire contribution falls flat when you don’t have anything actually helpful to post.
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Capt. Kirk lives!
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I agree it was speculation, thats why I called it speculation.
Yes I did not place a conclusion at the end because it was speculation and as such should not have a conclusion.
Speculation is for example the light in the sky might be an airoplane, an added conclusion would be, the light in the sky might be an airoplane therefore the light is an airpolane.
Look I am not explaining what pitch is I am explaining that a computer program can control pitch independently of tempo,
Again you misunderstand what I write or misread it.
I explained that pitch and tempo in the real world are locked together I know you know this, but I expanded that with in the computer world pitch and tempo are separated and independently controlled.
If you have a degree in computer communications that does not necessarily include programming and media.
I have 30 years in IT. I have programmed in several languages I have worked in comms I have authored software in assembly language for a major computer manufacturer.
If you claim my post had nothing helpful in it, I would expect that you have asked that of the OP rather than simply express your own opinion.
As for my coming across as being knowledgeable in music I dont believe I am certainly not compared to the majority of members.
I have however learned a great deal and enjoyed some success so I have opinions and I will express them.
And I will say this, you appear to demand that writing in here must have a conclusion, not every piece of writing has a conclusion, stop demanding conclusions all the time.
If the posts to the threads in here are only allowed to have absolute answers in them and every post must have a conclusion then most of the questions will go unanswered and the site might die due to inactivity.
Allow people to speculate, allow people to have opinions, do not demand there must be a conclusion in every post.
Remember that if a thread remains unanswered within a certain time it will be locked and quite right too, but your demands may force the locking of threads due to there being no replies.
We dont want that do we.
There thats a conclusion
Feel free to complain about my wall of text
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"I explained that pitch and tempo in the real world are locked together I know you know this . . "
Well, I don't know this. I've heard people play with exact rhythm bur faulty intonation. And people with exact intonation who swing like the anchor on the Queen Mary. Am I misunderstanding your sentence?
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I am speaking of the playing back of recordings only.
If a note is played on let us say a trombone and the slide is lengthened the pitch falls but there is no tempo as such it is a single note.
If this pitch is played within a piece of music then there are notes preceding and notes following the note in question.
Now we have tempo and pitch together.
If we record this music consisting of pitch and tempo and we speed up the playback of the recording then the pitch rises, they are locked together by the recording medium.
If we slow the playback the pitch falls, again they are locked together.
We can of course in a live performance slow the tempo while keeping the pitches correct, but the thread was only concerned with playing back on a computer, a recording of a performance and the pitch changed while the tempo of the recording was unchanged.
With a cd or a tape recording or a pressed LP, if you alter the tempo you alter the pitch.
Computers can however take a recording with a tempo and pitches and slow the tempo while keeping the pitch constant, or change the pitch without altering the tempo.
I therefore have said pitch and tempo in the real world are locked together but in the computer world they are not locked together.
Or do you perhaps know of a way of changing the speed of a gramaphone or of a tape machine without altering the pitches. I have never seen that I would be very interested in learning of it.
