Congrats! I know how good that feels because I recently did the same thing but in the opposite direction. I had an 1880's Courtois F trumpet mouthpiece but no trumpet.. but then a Courtois valved F trumpet from 1870 showed up on eBay and I now have the two together. This particular trumpet really needs the old mouthpiece, it can't be played in tune with a modern mouthpiece.
Posts made by scottfsmith
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RE: Henry Lehnert Mouthpiece
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RE: Arban’s Cornet
Right, that is why I suggested it could be an earlier cornet of his.
Looking at it more, it doesn't look like a French instrument. Those style of keys are very much the German style with the shape of the key and the large "puck" the key is attached to. Besson did make some rotary valve cornets (e.g. Robb has one on his website) but the keys don't look like that. The thin bracing also does not look like any Besson bracing I have seen. Also that style of engraving looks later to me, the French engraving of that period is pure lines; that style of engraving is what was popular post-1900. And I agree the engraving looks too sloppy for a Besson. The water key has a coil spring on it which is also post-1900.
There could be explanations for this, e.g. Besson was copying the recent German designs and had not yet added their own touches to it. But, I would say some healthy skepticism is in order until there are more details
PS Here is a German cornet from around 1900, it looks a lot more like this than like any French instrument (notice the bracing for example). Also this style was patented in 1900 and popular then .. more strikes.
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RE: Arban’s Cornet
Did Arban play this instrument much? I have only found two pictures of Arban with a cornet and both look like Courtois style (double water key):
Maybe the rotary is an earlier Arban cornet.
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RE: Valve oils
@GeorgeB said in Valve oils:
Though he oiled the conventional way that most of us do, he would also pull the first valve slide and inject oil there, and would also squirt oil into the holes at the bottom of the valve caps.
While I don't regularly do this, there is some logic to it. I have found sometimes that the oil does not get to the bottom of the valves and putting oil through the bottom will sometimes un-stick valves that a regular re-lubing didn't fix. I use more oil on the top sides than I used to and don't get this problem much any more.
@Kehaulani said in Valve oils:
I was taught to just squirt the oil down the lead pipe and blow forcefully. Has never not worked.
That is usually touted as a method to prevent red rot, not to lube valves.
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RE: Valve oils
Back on the non-alcoholic Hetmans, I have been using Hetmans 1/2/3 with great success on many horns, but my Courtois Evo IV's first valve just refused to play along.. it would take a pause on the upstroke every now and then.
I was out of oils and needed to order more, and the place I ordered from also had the La Tromba T2 so I added some to my cart. So far the La Tromba is working better. When I would spin the valve around in the housing with the Hetmans I would occasionally feel it stick but with the La Tromba it spins more smoothly. Also no stick-ups so far with the T2.
Anyway, dozens of horns fine with Hetmans and one seeming to not like it.
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RE: Recommendations for used silverplated professional trumpet
My "dark horse" is a brand, Courtois. They went out of the trumpet business in 2015 or so and they are not very popular now.. because of that the prices are ridiculously low. The horns are just as awesome, top trumpeter Sergei Nakariakov is still playing on them last I heard.. no endorsement benefits possible there, the company isn't even making trumpets anymore.
I have an Evolution IV (heavy, braced) I got for $850 and also a couple Privilege horns (lightweight, step-bore) - I think I paid $650 for one and $850 for the other. If you can't find one I will sell my Privilege in silver which was a demo horn, it is nearly new. I shouldn't have bought it since I already had one but it was so cheap I could not resist. On top of these there is the Delmotte model ("Grand Siecle") which is a Bb/C conversion. I also bought one of them, too cheap to resist again and a superb player either in Bb or C. These three Courtois types are very different trumpets in terms of how they play, but they are all extraordinary designs.
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RE: Company Timelines (Besson, Diston-Keefer, Frank Holton, Vincent Bach)
@OldSchoolEuph said in Company Timelines (Besson, Diston-Keefer, Frank Holton, Vincent Bach):
That patent is for the designs that precede the classic Besson wrap by the way. Like so many others of the day, it is lacking in many respects relative to the definition of the modern trumpet Besson would establish not long after.
It looks pretty similar to me in terms of the tubing, the main difference I see is how the 2nd valve slide comes right out. There are a few existing early Besson trumpets in fact that have that sticking-out side. What looks so different to you? It is an illustration so the proportions are not perfect, for example the valve casing decorations are too curved.
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RE: Company Timelines (Besson, Diston-Keefer, Frank Holton, Vincent Bach)
One small addition to the Besson timeline, The Besson "Breveté" (patent) for the modern trumpet is from 1867. Here is an illustration from that patent .. it looks like a modern trumpet, eh? The top one is in A I think and the middle one is in C.
I am sure there were some examples made in this period but they don't appear to have survived or are still in an attic somewhere.
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RE: How many of you taught yourself to play?
I taught myself trumpet, I started maybe four years ago after teaching myself trombone a few years before that so I could play along with my son. After a couple years I stopped getting better, I couldn’t play much above the staff, so I started taking lessons. I would still be a pretty mediocre player if I didn’t make that step.
I was also doing odd things like naming the notes in concert pitch, so for example what all Bb trumpeters call G I would call F. It took me a long time to un-learn that bad habit..
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RE: Courtois Balanced Model...
I have .. lets see .. 7 Courtois trumpets and none of them have any red rot. Most of mine are very old ones, it could be in some more recent periods they were more prone to red rot.
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RE: Courtois Balanced Model...
Congrats on your new Courtois! 10XXX puts it around 1960. 164XX is around 1970. I don't have any Courtois in that period but the Leblanc horns were made by Courtois and share serials and I have a 707 in the 13XXX range which is a very nice horn. The best deals out there, too -- a Leblanc by Courtois went last week for about $250 on eBay.
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Anyone else annoyed at eBay lying about sold-for price?
eBay used to put a line through the price when a best offer was lower than the listed price .. at some point they stopped doing that most of the time, and they just show the listed price in green without a line through it even if the seller in fact accepted a lower offer. The only way to tell now is the indication "best offer accepted" will appear somewhere.
No surprise really .. eBay gets worse every year. Hoping and praying that a real competitor pops up one day.
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RE: Dr. GO? My back's been bothering me...
Bringing this back to trumpets .. do trumpet players have relatively more back problems? I was moaning to my trumpet teacher about my back problems and he moaned back about his, and then I got thinking my recent back problems started when I got more serious about the trumpet a few years ago. The PT told me my lower back is too tense, and playing trumpet to get out the high notes also causes that to happen..
Any connection here?