Martin Committee Club
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@Dr-GO said in Martin Committee Club:
@Zman said in Martin Committee Club:
@tjveloce thanks for your insights.
...I already made one that used a Committee block with an engraved Lawler C7 deluxe bell that turned out fantastic. Now I am looking at BC 9 & 10 and have the parts to make other versions using original bells.
I played the Lawler C7. It does not sound as my Committee, it is only a copy, and not one of the better ones. The bell is as important a key feature as the original bell. It must have the exact taper and dimensions of the original or it will not sound as a vintage Committee.
I agree that the two sound different - but you can also adapt parts to match dimensions and compensate in other areas. The one I had made up already was done by Josh Landress who understands these horns very well. I collect Martins and can tell you it played in between a Deluxe Committee and a Handcraft. Even the bell tail was modified - that was the attention to detail.
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I didn't see a date stamp on the Martin page but I don't recall seeing it last time I visited which was only a few months ago. I read somewhere (here?) that Kanstul could not find a buyer and that someone bought the tooling, but it wasn't Martin.
Regardless, I have not played later era Committees but I have read that a lot did change and that the horns, while still of high quality, lost some of the signature sound. With that, it's hard for me to imagine that the new Martins would measure up to the original.
-tj
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To keep this thread going I present to you the rather scarce Martin Handcraft Committee Cornet.
It's interesting in that the design configuration really didn't change much at all from the Handcraft Imperial from a few years earlier. They basically changed the trim kit, recycled an earlier finger ring, put on a new LP to Bell brace and Mpc receiver and called it a day.
Unfortunately no longer in my collection - but in safe hands of another collector.
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Greetings everyone!
I see that my original thread from Trumpetmaster for Martin Committee Club has indeed survived.
Great to see you all here.Steve Davis
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@Steve-Davis said in Martin Committee Club:
Greetings everyone!
I see that my original thread from Trumpetmaster for Martin Committee Club has indeed survived.
Great to see you all here.Steve Davis
But Steve, you are the true original and thanks for keeping all your input to the Martin Committee alive! Great to have you here!
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@Steve-Davis said in Martin Committee Club:
Greetings everyone!
I see that my original thread from Trumpetmaster for Martin Committee Club has indeed survived.
Great to see you all here.Steve Davis
Steve,
Likewise! Now if only we could curate all that great content (and photos) from those hundreds of posts. = (
-the Chief Gearhead
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@tjveloce I remember reading your posts about your Committee on TM about the same time mine was making it's 2nd trip to my (former) tech, who never quite figured out the issue I was having with it.
I finally sent it to Charlie Melk, who definitely had experience with the often discussed "instability" they can have in the lower register. The issue was a combination of several things. He resoldered the braces to relieve the tension (also told me there was almost no solder in the joints), adjusted the gap to almost nothing (I haven't measured it, but just shy of touching the end of the mouthpiece) and did a valve alignment, making sure to use felt instead of rubber.
I have only had it back for just over a week, and following his advice with trying different backbores, I seem to have the horn dialed in to my liking. I'm using an old H.N. White 11 mouthpiece that I bought on a whim for about $25 on eBay. Makes the horn sing. Not sure if it's the backbore, or the fact that it's a fairly stripped down blank that makes the difference. I tried Monette mouthpieces for about 6 months, and definitely learned something from using them, but never quite worked for me on the Committee.
I was ready to let her go if it still wasn't right, but he really performed a miracle. Plays like a dream!
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The Committes that are two toned -I'm assuming that's nickel trim?- are they heavier than mono-colored Committees?
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@Kehaulani said in Martin Committee Club:
The Committes that are two toned -I'm assumption that's nickel trim?- are they heavier than mono-colored Committees?
I have a neighbor with a nickel trim (Delux) 1952 Committee. I have played it quit a bit. They are not heavier, nor is their balance really different. What I do appreciate is they are a bit brighter... but merely a tad. They still have that creamy, dark sound.
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Harrelson Summit 2017
Kanstul 1526 2012
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@bobmiller1969 said in Martin Committee Club:
@tjveloce
I have only had it back for just over a week, and following his advice with trying different backbores, I seem to have the horn dialed in to my liking. I'm using an old H.N. White 11 mouthpiece that I bought on a whim for about $25 on eBay.I agree. Finding the perfect mouthpiece for this horn is an art, but well worth the experimentation, because when you get it right, Man is it right! I had the original Martin 10 mouthpiece that came with the horn's original owner from who's estate I purchased the horn. That Martin mouthpiece does little justice to the Committee's sound. And you are right, its matching just the right backbore.
With that said, the Kanstul G2 I found is just perfect. Its the Miles copy of his Gustat Heim Mouthpiece. And let me tell you, Miles too made a good mouthpiece choice....
Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
Harrelson Summit 2017
Kanstul 1526 2012
Getzen Power Bore 1961
Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
Martin Committee 1946
Olds Super Recording 1940
Olds Recording (LA) 1953
Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
Olds Ambassador 1965 -
@Dr-GO said in Martin Committee Club:
@Kehaulani said in Martin Committee Club:
The Committes that are two toned -I'm assumption that's nickel trim?- are they heavier than mono-colored Committees?
I have a neighbor with a nickel trim (Delux) 1952 Committee. I have played it quit a bit. They are not heaver, nor is their balance really different. What I do appreciate is they are a bit brighter... but merely a tad. They still have that creamy, dark sound.
Thanks Dr.
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I'm curious if there's interest in a Martin Committee tee-shirt. I bought a Benge shirt (pictured below) from a guy who had them made for a Facebook page and thought it would be cool to make one for our favorite horn. I don't know if the Deluxe engraving could be used, but even just the standard late model Martin engraving would be cool. I like minimalism so it could just be that.
Thoughts?
-the ChiefGearhead
Lotus Solo Max
82 Benge MLP
74 Conn Director
71 Bach 37
56 Martin Committee Deluxe (large bore)
45 Blessing Artist
84 DEG 2v G bugle (SCV Alumni Corps ax)
Adams F2 Flugelhorn
Courtois 154 Flugelhorn -
The Committee has no third valve tuning slide stop. What are you using to keep your slide from falling out when it’s not in your hands, for example, on a stand while you’re playing your flugelhorn?
the Chief Gearhead
Lotus Solo Max
82 Benge MLP
74 Conn Director
71 Bach 37
56 Martin Committee Deluxe (large bore)
45 Blessing Artist
84 DEG 2v G bugle (SCV Alumni Corps ax)
Adams F2 Flugelhorn
Courtois 154 Flugelhorn -
@tjveloce said in Martin Committee Club:
The Committee has no third valve tuning slide stop. What are you using to keep your slide from falling out when it’s not in your hands, for example, on a stand while you’re playing your flugelhorn?
the Chief Gearhead
I use a small hair band. They are cheap, replaceable and don't wear the lacquer very much. About $1 for a pack of 10
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If you want something that's music industry made, Yamaha makes a silicone slide stopper. I use these.
I've read all three pages of this thread and could've just missed it, but what are the Committee's best years?
I realize that there may be instruments here and there that are uncharacteristically good that fall outside this range, but what is the safest range to buy within?
I'm referring to medium bore, BTW.Thanks.
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Inception to the late 50's were the best years. I believe it coincided with Chet saying, "Martin doesn't make good horns anymore", or something like that.
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@tjveloce said in Martin Committee Club:
I'm curious if there's interest in a Martin Committee tee-shirt. I bought a Benge shirt (pictured below) from a guy who had them made for a Facebook page and thought it would be cool to make one for our favorite horn. I don't know if the Deluxe engraving could be used, but even just the standard late model Martin engraving would be cool. I like minimalism so it could just be that.
Thoughts?
-the ChiefGearhead
Just out of curiosity, do you have a sofa in your garage?!
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@Dr-GO said in Martin Committee Club:
@bobmiller1969 said in Martin Committee Club:
@tjveloce
I have only had it back for just over a week, and following his advice with trying different backbores, I seem to have the horn dialed in to my liking. I'm using an old H.N. White 11 mouthpiece that I bought on a whim for about $25 on eBay.I agree. Finding the perfect mouthpiece for this horn is an art, but well worth the experimentation, because when you get it right, Man is it right! I had the original Martin 10 mouthpiece that came with the horn's original owner from who's estate I purchased the horn. That Martin mouthpiece does little justice to the Committee's sound. And you are right, its matching just the right backbore.
With that said, the Kanstul G2 I found is just perfect. Its the Miles copy of his Gustat Heim Mouthpiece. And let me tell you, Miles too made a good mouthpiece choice....
Hey Doc-since I know you’re online right now, I’m curious if you have had experience with, or know anyone who has had experience with Legends Brass mouthpieces. They seem to have a G2 replica of sorts. I’m loathe to go on a mouthpiece safari but kinda curious to see if the Committee would approve.
-tj
Lotus Solo Max
82 Benge MLP
74 Conn Director
71 Bach 37
56 Martin Committee Deluxe (large bore)
45 Blessing Artist
84 DEG 2v G bugle (SCV Alumni Corps ax)
Adams F2 Flugelhorn
Courtois 154 Flugelhorn -
@tjveloce said in Martin Committee Club:
Hey Doc-since I know you’re online right now, I’m curious if you have had experience with, or know anyone who has had experience with Legends Brass mouthpieces. They seem to have a G2 replica of sorts. I’m loathe to go on a mouthpiece safari but kinda curious to see if the Committee would approve.
-tj
No experience with Legends Brass, but I do believe the Kanstal brother that handles their mouthpieces still has mouthpieces in stock. I would search for him on Google and see if he has a G2.
I also know that Jason Harrelson took a copy of my G2 when I was out to Denver to meet with him about getting a 5 mm version. While 5 mm's are expensive, perhaps Jason could turn around a standard mouthpiece at a more reasonable price with the copy he has of mine. It's worth the effort to give this a try. It is an amazing mouthpiece and exact replica of the Gustat Heim used by Miles.
